1 00:00:22,670 --> 00:00:09,089 welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast 2 00:00:28,380 --> 00:00:25,980 welcome to the skeptics zone episode 2 3 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:28,390 99 I know I've been hijacked it's 4 00:00:32,190 --> 00:00:30,130 Richard Saunders here with Evan 5 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:32,200 Bernstein and Bob novella all the way 6 00:00:37,620 --> 00:00:34,810 from Las Vegas at the amazing meeting hi 7 00:00:40,590 --> 00:00:37,630 guys hello hey Richard hey it's the 8 00:00:43,170 --> 00:00:40,600 skeptic zone meets s to you again and we 9 00:00:45,990 --> 00:00:43,180 love it I love always it's a meeting of 10 00:00:47,549 --> 00:00:46,000 the minds a wonderful time and I'm not 11 00:00:49,860 --> 00:00:47,559 wearing your Ain no you're wearing your 12 00:00:52,410 --> 00:00:49,870 own t-shirt yes but this year the the 13 00:00:54,630 --> 00:00:52,420 logo of Tam is a brain there it is over 14 00:00:56,220 --> 00:00:54,640 there on the on the poster somebody came 15 00:00:58,890 --> 00:00:56,230 up to me and said oh wow they made an 16 00:01:01,979 --> 00:00:58,900 origami brain this year it does all the 17 00:01:04,470 --> 00:01:01,989 holes and corners of an origami piece so 18 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:04,480 how is life at the skeptics guide to the 19 00:01:08,370 --> 00:01:06,370 universe I life is great we're 20 00:01:10,830 --> 00:01:08,380 continuing to roll along with all of our 21 00:01:12,390 --> 00:01:10,840 obviously weekly episodes and upcoming 22 00:01:15,060 --> 00:01:12,400 trips that will be making I've heard of 23 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:15,070 your show I forget what number we're up 24 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:17,530 to now I'd lost count were 70 will be 25 00:01:21,180 --> 00:01:18,850 coming out this week out there just 26 00:01:25,050 --> 00:01:21,190 gloating folks just 59 still pretty good 27 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:25,060 though I'm on my way you know I'm on my 28 00:01:29,969 --> 00:01:27,969 way but you guys love coming to these 29 00:01:31,530 --> 00:01:29,979 things as much as I do I guess it I look 30 00:01:33,780 --> 00:01:31,540 forward to it every year I love seeing 31 00:01:35,910 --> 00:01:33,790 all you know the old friends new friends 32 00:01:37,889 --> 00:01:35,920 made a new friend I love the south point 33 00:01:39,929 --> 00:01:37,899 I love Vegas it's always a blast I this 34 00:01:41,940 --> 00:01:39,939 is sad to go every year it's very sad I 35 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:41,950 have to leave right yeah you got to 36 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:43,329 leave at some stage though there goes 37 00:01:46,590 --> 00:01:44,770 change the fella look at him stalking 38 00:01:48,630 --> 00:01:46,600 down the hall don't make eye contact 39 00:01:50,219 --> 00:01:48,640 he's going for the coffee he's picking 40 00:01:54,090 --> 00:01:50,229 up the cup right now coffee's being 41 00:01:56,340 --> 00:01:54,100 bored yes it seems to be decaf Oh tells 42 00:01:58,499 --> 00:01:56,350 us what's going on now the big news in 43 00:02:00,029 --> 00:01:58,509 the zone listen as well know is you guys 44 00:02:02,130 --> 00:02:00,039 are gonna be in Australia in November 45 00:02:05,429 --> 00:02:02,140 and New Zealand is that true that's 46 00:02:06,929 --> 00:02:05,439 correct wow I am so excited I loved it 47 00:02:08,580 --> 00:02:06,939 when we went how long was it almost four 48 00:02:10,529 --> 00:02:08,590 years ago now four years ago that's 49 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:10,539 great today one of my favorite trip of 50 00:02:14,490 --> 00:02:12,730 all time and I love putting in I love 51 00:02:15,690 --> 00:02:14,500 putting into security guy application 52 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:15,700 word says what's the farthest you've 53 00:02:19,350 --> 00:02:17,290 been from home and I always put in 54 00:02:21,700 --> 00:02:19,360 Australia 55 00:02:23,350 --> 00:02:21,710 absolutely we are look we're so looking 56 00:02:25,900 --> 00:02:23,360 forward to this we wanted to come back 57 00:02:27,130 --> 00:02:25,910 ever since our initial trip in 2010 and 58 00:02:29,170 --> 00:02:27,140 we're making good on that promise I 59 00:02:31,180 --> 00:02:29,180 don't believe it's it's the years have 60 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:31,190 gone by since that trip because we're 61 00:02:34,510 --> 00:02:32,450 all looking forward to it and playing 62 00:02:36,550 --> 00:02:34,520 pour it in and it worked really well and 63 00:02:40,180 --> 00:02:36,560 suddenly it's what four years ago almost 64 00:02:41,380 --> 00:02:40,190 it's it went so fast it went so fast and 65 00:02:43,060 --> 00:02:41,390 you know we'll be having our families 66 00:02:44,199 --> 00:02:43,070 with us you'll see you come out and see 67 00:02:45,730 --> 00:02:44,209 us you know we'll have our kids with us 68 00:02:47,470 --> 00:02:45,740 you saw them to smaller kids but now you 69 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:47,480 see more years later that will really be 70 00:02:52,210 --> 00:02:49,370 telling about you know how long ago it 71 00:02:53,620 --> 00:02:52,220 was well that's fantastic the skeptics 72 00:02:55,330 --> 00:02:53,630 guide the universe back in Sydney 73 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:55,340 Australia for our national convention 74 00:02:59,140 --> 00:02:56,810 November all looking forward to that on 75 00:03:00,880 --> 00:02:59,150 this week's show gentlemen I must tell 76 00:03:02,650 --> 00:03:00,890 you we have an interview of sharon hill 77 00:03:04,060 --> 00:03:02,660 and an interview with georgia Rob we 78 00:03:05,350 --> 00:03:04,070 have a week in science from our good 79 00:03:10,030 --> 00:03:05,360 friends at the Royal Institution of 80 00:03:13,449 --> 00:03:10,040 Australia wwii aus ogu and other bits 81 00:03:15,310 --> 00:03:13,459 and pieces from this amazing meeting how 82 00:03:18,340 --> 00:03:15,320 about that sounds fantastic i'll be 83 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:18,350 listening absolutely Sharon Geo Richard 84 00:03:21,370 --> 00:03:20,090 Saunders I mean it doesn't get much 85 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:21,380 better than that and get much better 86 00:03:25,060 --> 00:03:23,330 better now while I run downstairs and 87 00:03:26,949 --> 00:03:25,070 see if I can find some Australian coffee 88 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:26,959 hang on what you've had some Australian 89 00:03:30,910 --> 00:03:29,690 coffee I yes we had it every morning and 90 00:03:32,770 --> 00:03:30,920 I miss it and that's one of the things 91 00:03:34,870 --> 00:03:32,780 I'm most looking forward to when I get 92 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:34,880 over the net the most but it's on that 93 00:03:38,620 --> 00:03:36,890 top 10 list i loved it can't wait for it 94 00:03:43,330 --> 00:03:38,630 someone tried to give me civet coffee 95 00:03:45,610 --> 00:03:43,340 once but not exactly my my taste good 96 00:03:48,009 --> 00:03:45,620 google it civet coffee I tell you what 97 00:03:49,690 --> 00:03:48,019 we'll all go downstairs and find some 98 00:03:51,789 --> 00:03:49,700 real australian coffee and we'll let 99 00:04:08,440 --> 00:03:51,799 everybody enjoy the Skip Dixon let's do 100 00:04:19,849 --> 00:04:10,960 what we want is some more evidence 101 00:04:25,930 --> 00:04:23,820 hello this is Joe alabaster 102 00:04:28,390 --> 00:04:25,940 fantastic news out of Queensland this 103 00:04:30,490 --> 00:04:28,400 week on July the 9th Premier Campbell 104 00:04:32,469 --> 00:04:30,500 Newman and health minister Lawrence 105 00:04:34,330 --> 00:04:32,479 Springborg announced that Queensland 106 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:34,340 will be providing a freak whooping cough 107 00:04:38,710 --> 00:04:37,010 also known as pertussis vaccination for 108 00:04:41,830 --> 00:04:38,720 women in their third trimester of 109 00:04:44,500 --> 00:04:41,840 pregnancy this has come after all states 110 00:04:45,879 --> 00:04:44,510 but not the Northern Territory went back 111 00:04:48,730 --> 00:04:45,889 the provision of free whooping cough 112 00:04:50,260 --> 00:04:48,740 vaccines for parents in 2012 a move 113 00:04:51,969 --> 00:04:50,270 which disappointed advocates for 114 00:04:54,550 --> 00:04:51,979 immunization and whooping cough 115 00:04:56,830 --> 00:04:54,560 awareness including parents medical 116 00:04:58,210 --> 00:04:56,840 professionals and the general public who 117 00:05:01,870 --> 00:04:58,220 have campaigned for better access to 118 00:05:03,460 --> 00:05:01,880 whooping cough vaccine since newborn 119 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:03,470 babies are particularly vulnerable to 120 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:05,050 both contracting whooping cough and 121 00:05:09,570 --> 00:05:07,010 experiencing the worst effects of this 122 00:05:12,189 --> 00:05:09,580 disease serious illness and tragic death 123 00:05:14,379 --> 00:05:12,199 the Australian vaccination schedule 124 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:14,389 recommends that babies receive a three 125 00:05:18,850 --> 00:05:16,250 dose primary schedule of pertussis 126 00:05:21,490 --> 00:05:18,860 containing vaccine at two four and six 127 00:05:23,770 --> 00:05:21,500 months of age for the initial dose can 128 00:05:26,590 --> 00:05:23,780 be shifted to six weeks to offer partial 129 00:05:28,450 --> 00:05:26,600 protection to infants previously 130 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:28,460 whooping cough vaccines were provided 131 00:05:32,650 --> 00:05:30,530 postpartum to mothers who had not been 132 00:05:35,589 --> 00:05:32,660 recently immunized as part of a strategy 133 00:05:37,180 --> 00:05:35,599 dubbed cocooning cocooning aims to 134 00:05:39,430 --> 00:05:37,190 protect those in close contact with 135 00:05:41,230 --> 00:05:39,440 newborns in order to reduce potential 136 00:05:43,180 --> 00:05:41,240 exposure to newborns themselves 137 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:43,190 cocooning could extend to parents and 138 00:05:47,850 --> 00:05:45,770 caregivers siblings grandparents and 139 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:47,860 others in contact with infants 140 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:50,330 postpartum immunisation from others who 141 00:05:54,250 --> 00:05:52,370 didn't have whooping cough immunity did 142 00:05:56,589 --> 00:05:54,260 unfortunately leave a window of time 143 00:05:58,180 --> 00:05:56,599 during pregnancy and immediately after 144 00:05:59,770 --> 00:05:58,190 birth in which the mother was not 145 00:06:02,050 --> 00:05:59,780 immunized and at risk of contracting 146 00:06:04,060 --> 00:06:02,060 whooping cough and potentially passing 147 00:06:06,129 --> 00:06:04,070 it on to her newborn but cocooning was 148 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:06,139 still an effective strategy and access 149 00:06:11,110 --> 00:06:08,210 to a postpartum vaccine offered more 150 00:06:12,820 --> 00:06:11,120 protection than no vaccine at all the 151 00:06:14,710 --> 00:06:12,830 new approach mentioned in the newest 152 00:06:17,070 --> 00:06:14,720 edition of the Australian immunization 153 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:17,080 handbook released in january 2014 154 00:06:20,830 --> 00:06:19,130 recommends that pregnant women may 155 00:06:23,430 --> 00:06:20,840 receive a whooping cough vaccine during 156 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:23,440 their third trimester of pregnancy a 157 00:06:28,659 --> 00:06:26,210 u.s. modeling study has concluded the 158 00:06:31,270 --> 00:06:28,669 immunization during pregnancy offers 159 00:06:32,980 --> 00:06:31,280 protection to newborns in two ways by 160 00:06:34,899 --> 00:06:32,990 removing the window of time in which a 161 00:06:36,820 --> 00:06:34,909 mother is unvaccinated during pregnancy 162 00:06:38,770 --> 00:06:36,830 and after their baby is born 163 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:38,780 and by protecting against infection by a 164 00:06:43,540 --> 00:06:40,610 placental transfer of maternal 165 00:06:45,430 --> 00:06:43,550 antibodies Australian experts say 166 00:06:46,810 --> 00:06:45,440 pertussis vaccination in pregnancy is 167 00:06:48,580 --> 00:06:46,820 likely to be more effective than 168 00:06:50,050 --> 00:06:48,590 postpartum vaccination and it's 169 00:06:52,570 --> 00:06:50,060 wonderful news that Queensland is 170 00:06:53,980 --> 00:06:52,580 implementing this strategy I'd like to 171 00:06:56,650 --> 00:06:53,990 read a letter to the New South Wales 172 00:06:58,900 --> 00:06:56,660 premier Mike bed and health minister 173 00:07:01,540 --> 00:06:58,910 Jillian Skinner composed by Heidi 174 00:07:03,280 --> 00:07:01,550 Robertson and Alison Gaylord on behalf 175 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:03,290 of the Northern Rivers vaccination 176 00:07:08,740 --> 00:07:06,650 supporters nrvs or a rather amazing 177 00:07:10,300 --> 00:07:08,750 group of concerned community members who 178 00:07:12,460 --> 00:07:10,310 live in the northern rivers region of 179 00:07:14,290 --> 00:07:12,470 New South Wales an area with one of the 180 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:14,300 lowest childhood vaccination rates in 181 00:07:18,340 --> 00:07:16,730 the country they'll come together due to 182 00:07:20,170 --> 00:07:18,350 a shared interest in increasing the 183 00:07:21,810 --> 00:07:20,180 immunization rates in their community 184 00:07:24,310 --> 00:07:21,820 and if so far accomplished a great deal 185 00:07:26,350 --> 00:07:24,320 liaising with local health practitioners 186 00:07:28,570 --> 00:07:26,360 politicians and the media providing 187 00:07:30,190 --> 00:07:28,580 support for pro vaccine parents in an 188 00:07:32,860 --> 00:07:30,200 area with many who are anti-vaccination 189 00:07:35,950 --> 00:07:32,870 and establishing a visible presence in 190 00:07:37,450 --> 00:07:35,960 their local community Alison Gaylord one 191 00:07:39,820 --> 00:07:37,460 of the authors of this letter will be 192 00:07:41,980 --> 00:07:39,830 giving a talk on nrvs at Brisbane 193 00:07:43,270 --> 00:07:41,990 skeptic camp next weekend and I very 194 00:07:44,620 --> 00:07:43,280 much look forward to catching up with 195 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:44,630 her and bringing you more information 196 00:07:52,870 --> 00:07:49,370 over the coming weeks quote wednesday 197 00:07:55,450 --> 00:07:52,880 nights July 2014 their premier bird and 198 00:07:57,250 --> 00:07:55,460 miss Skinner we write with regards to 199 00:07:59,530 --> 00:07:57,260 the initiative announced by Queensland 200 00:08:02,980 --> 00:07:59,540 Premier Campbell Newman this morning 9th 201 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:02,990 July 2014 premier Newman revealed that 202 00:08:07,300 --> 00:08:04,850 Queensland Health will be funding a free 203 00:08:08,830 --> 00:08:07,310 pertussis whooping cough vaccine for 204 00:08:11,740 --> 00:08:08,840 women in their third trimester of 205 00:08:13,300 --> 00:08:11,750 pregnancy we sincerely hope that New 206 00:08:15,820 --> 00:08:13,310 South Wales will follow suit with this 207 00:08:17,500 --> 00:08:15,830 initiative it is of course based on the 208 00:08:19,750 --> 00:08:17,510 latest research and evidence which 209 00:08:21,850 --> 00:08:19,760 states that the pertussis vaccine given 210 00:08:23,710 --> 00:08:21,860 in the third trimester is very effective 211 00:08:25,390 --> 00:08:23,720 at protecting a newborn baby during 212 00:08:27,190 --> 00:08:25,400 those crucial first two months before 213 00:08:29,950 --> 00:08:27,200 they can receive their first pertussis 214 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:29,960 vaccine mothers-to-be are also protected 215 00:08:34,060 --> 00:08:31,610 from pertussis with this initiative 216 00:08:36,910 --> 00:08:34,070 which of course reduces the chances of 217 00:08:38,680 --> 00:08:36,920 transmission to the baby mothers often 218 00:08:40,660 --> 00:08:38,690 being the primary care giver of the baby 219 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:40,670 are in close physical proximity on a 220 00:08:44,680 --> 00:08:42,770 24-hour basis and are often 221 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:44,690 inadvertently responsible for passing 222 00:08:49,750 --> 00:08:46,730 this potentially deadly infection onto 223 00:08:51,910 --> 00:08:49,760 their babies losing a baby to pertussis 224 00:08:54,190 --> 00:08:51,920 a vaccine preventable disease is of 225 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:54,200 course devastating the economic costs to 226 00:08:57,610 --> 00:08:55,490 the government will also be greatly 227 00:08:59,620 --> 00:08:57,620 reduced if less infants need to be 228 00:09:02,470 --> 00:08:59,630 hospitalized in pediatric intensive care 229 00:09:04,060 --> 00:09:02,480 units over nine out of ten babies under 230 00:09:06,130 --> 00:09:04,070 three months of age need to be 231 00:09:08,560 --> 00:09:06,140 hospitalized as a result of contracting 232 00:09:10,980 --> 00:09:08,570 pertussis please consider following 233 00:09:13,990 --> 00:09:10,990 Queensland in this important endeavor 234 00:09:16,270 --> 00:09:14,000 regards Heidi Robertson and Alison 235 00:09:19,980 --> 00:09:16,280 Gaylord acting on behalf of Northern 236 00:09:22,450 --> 00:09:19,990 Rivers vaccination supporters end quote 237 00:09:24,130 --> 00:09:22,460 hopefully Queensland's new policy will 238 00:09:25,990 --> 00:09:24,140 pave the way for other Australian states 239 00:09:28,270 --> 00:09:26,000 and territories to institute similar 240 00:09:30,340 --> 00:09:28,280 schemes allowing families better access 241 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:30,350 to a measure which can protect newborns 242 00:09:34,450 --> 00:09:32,410 from illness disability and death 243 00:09:36,700 --> 00:09:34,460 Australian listeners if you're so 244 00:09:38,230 --> 00:09:36,710 inclined please consider writing to and 245 00:09:40,330 --> 00:09:38,240 or tweeting your state or territory 246 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:40,340 leaders health ministers and shadow 247 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:42,410 health ministers to let them know that 248 00:09:45,910 --> 00:09:44,450 there is high community support for the 249 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:45,920 provision of free whooping cough 250 00:09:50,770 --> 00:09:48,530 vaccines for pregnant women have listed 251 00:09:52,810 --> 00:09:50,780 contact details and Twitter accounts for 252 00:09:55,030 --> 00:09:52,820 state and territory leaders in a post on 253 00:09:57,880 --> 00:09:55,040 this topic on my blog at evidence please 254 00:10:11,510 --> 00:09:57,890 net I've been tweeting using the hashtag 255 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:14,070 welcome to a week in science from our 256 00:10:18,660 --> 00:10:16,330 iOS bringing you the science you need to 257 00:10:20,970 --> 00:10:18,670 know cottage cheese are orange peel 258 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:20,980 whatever you call it dreaded cellulite 259 00:10:25,380 --> 00:10:23,170 is seemingly inevitable particularly for 260 00:10:29,620 --> 00:10:25,390 women so what is it and what actually 261 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:32,630 layers of fat under our skin are held in 262 00:10:37,310 --> 00:10:34,530 chambers of connective tissue mainly 263 00:10:39,050 --> 00:10:37,320 collagen as collagen breaks down the fat 264 00:10:41,420 --> 00:10:39,060 cells can push through creating that 265 00:10:43,850 --> 00:10:41,430 trademark bumpiness increases in the 266 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:43,860 hormone estrogen during pregnancy and at 267 00:10:48,290 --> 00:10:45,930 points during a woman's menstrual cycle 268 00:10:50,570 --> 00:10:48,300 promotes fat storage particularly around 269 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:50,580 the butt and thighs so those chambers 270 00:10:55,220 --> 00:10:53,250 are pushed to their limits plus estrogen 271 00:10:57,700 --> 00:10:55,230 breaks down collagen great for relaxing 272 00:11:00,500 --> 00:10:57,710 birth canal felt very bad for cellulite 273 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:00,510 unfairly cellulite only appears in about 274 00:11:05,030 --> 00:11:03,090 ten percent of men while women's fat 275 00:11:06,980 --> 00:11:05,040 chambers are built like columns men's a 276 00:11:09,830 --> 00:11:06,990 crisscross like mesh making them better 277 00:11:11,630 --> 00:11:09,840 at holding fat in place plus men have 278 00:11:15,790 --> 00:11:11,640 lower fat percentages in the first place 279 00:11:18,350 --> 00:11:15,800 and thicker skin to mask little bumps 280 00:11:20,690 --> 00:11:18,360 lots of therapies claim to treat 281 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:20,700 cellulite but most of the evidence for 282 00:11:24,790 --> 00:11:22,770 these is anecdotal all sofa cysts 283 00:11:27,410 --> 00:11:24,800 meaning it could be a placebo effect 284 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:27,420 beauty creams are popular but there's no 285 00:11:31,610 --> 00:11:29,970 evidence that they work massage and 286 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:31,620 suction therapies are also widespread 287 00:11:37,070 --> 00:11:34,290 but the few independent studies into it 288 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:37,080 show no tangible benefits besides diet 289 00:11:41,150 --> 00:11:38,970 and exercise the most promising 290 00:11:44,230 --> 00:11:41,160 treatment seems to be laser or shockwave 291 00:11:46,940 --> 00:11:44,240 therapy laser uses radiofrequency waves 292 00:11:50,060 --> 00:11:46,950 while shockwave therapy uses large 293 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:50,070 amplitude quite noisy energy pulses in 294 00:11:54,350 --> 00:11:52,410 theory the energy pulses break up the 295 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:54,360 connective tissue which then heels like 296 00:11:58,790 --> 00:11:56,730 a wound without the original weak points 297 00:12:00,620 --> 00:11:58,800 some small studies have shown a 298 00:12:02,780 --> 00:12:00,630 reduction in cellulite but this 299 00:12:05,330 --> 00:12:02,790 certainly isn't conclusive and could be 300 00:12:08,130 --> 00:12:05,340 a result of swelling and now for fast 301 00:12:10,780 --> 00:12:08,140 cellulite facts 302 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:10,790 skinny women all forget cellulite 303 00:12:15,310 --> 00:12:13,130 because even they store fat around their 304 00:12:17,680 --> 00:12:15,320 thighs and bums but weight gain can 305 00:12:19,900 --> 00:12:17,690 definitely make it worse references to 306 00:12:22,300 --> 00:12:19,910 cellulite in scientific journals became 307 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:22,310 common in the 70s the same time that 308 00:12:26,710 --> 00:12:23,810 women started wearing clothing that 309 00:12:28,930 --> 00:12:26,720 showed their upper legs liposuction is 310 00:12:30,790 --> 00:12:28,940 not a good idea for cellulite with many 311 00:12:33,490 --> 00:12:30,800 people reporting an increase in its 312 00:12:35,560 --> 00:12:33,500 appearance after treatment and there is 313 00:12:37,810 --> 00:12:35,570 now a genetic test to determine your 314 00:12:39,910 --> 00:12:37,820 cellulite risk but seeing as most women 315 00:12:41,770 --> 00:12:39,920 have it anyway it may not be worth the 316 00:12:44,290 --> 00:12:41,780 two hundred and fifty dollar price tag 317 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:44,300 so if there is a cure it looks like we 318 00:12:48,070 --> 00:12:46,130 haven't found it yet that's it for this 319 00:12:49,690 --> 00:12:48,080 week in science if you want to get to 320 00:12:53,250 --> 00:12:49,700 the bottom of cellulite go to the 321 00:12:56,350 --> 00:12:53,260 Arielle's website RI aus org dot a you 322 00:12:59,050 --> 00:12:56,360 follow us on twitter at our iOS and like 323 00:13:15,950 --> 00:12:59,060 us on facebook i'm karen groom and we'll 324 00:13:22,020 --> 00:13:19,800 who cares there speaks the voice of 325 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:22,030 wisdom it's the first day of Tamriel II 326 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:24,010 I think it's didn't yesterday I didn't 327 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:27,250 come yes and no sort of i mean it's 328 00:13:32,580 --> 00:13:30,370 thursday morning it's half past seven 329 00:13:34,110 --> 00:13:32,590 i'm here at the australian skeptics 330 00:13:36,270 --> 00:13:34,120 table just sort of setting up not many 331 00:13:38,670 --> 00:13:36,280 people here yes tu ganga behind me 332 00:13:41,010 --> 00:13:38,680 they're trying to decide what ripped up 333 00:13:42,450 --> 00:13:41,020 all their shirts up oh no they're 334 00:13:44,610 --> 00:13:42,460 putting up all their shirts yeah and 335 00:13:47,460 --> 00:13:44,620 Larry setting up and I am with one of 336 00:13:49,740 --> 00:13:47,470 the men who kicked off skeptical 337 00:13:52,680 --> 00:13:49,750 podcasting really Derek Colin dunno hi 338 00:13:55,140 --> 00:13:52,690 Derek well it's me and Stephen the SU 339 00:13:57,930 --> 00:13:55,150 people we figured it out a couple years 340 00:14:00,300 --> 00:13:57,940 ago and sat down the skeptic ality had 341 00:14:03,870 --> 00:14:00,310 their first episode about six days 342 00:14:06,390 --> 00:14:03,880 before we had nothing to do it we touch 343 00:14:07,860 --> 00:14:06,400 her we with each other we had no idea we 344 00:14:09,990 --> 00:14:07,870 didn't know each other at all yeah it 345 00:14:14,100 --> 00:14:10,000 just happened to come out that way what 346 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:14,110 you is that she was on 55 wow that's 347 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:15,490 something i'm at the skeptic zone 348 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:18,130 started in 2008 I was sort of doing bits 349 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:20,050 and pieces before that you were doing 350 00:14:24,030 --> 00:14:21,490 the tank I was doing the tank before 351 00:14:28,860 --> 00:14:24,040 that and something else before that but 352 00:14:30,630 --> 00:14:28,870 really a weekly podcast the skipping 353 00:14:32,220 --> 00:14:30,640 zone didn't start till 2000 a and we 354 00:14:33,930 --> 00:14:32,230 kicked it off at DragonCon of course you 355 00:14:36,510 --> 00:14:33,940 did well you because I had it on the 356 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:36,520 schedule that here as a tank did you 357 00:14:40,710 --> 00:14:39,130 just remember now it's too long ago yeah 358 00:14:42,030 --> 00:14:40,720 thousand tonight because you came he 359 00:14:43,650 --> 00:14:42,040 said by the way yeah we're probably 360 00:14:45,900 --> 00:14:43,660 going to change the name yes I'd never 361 00:14:48,030 --> 00:14:45,910 liked the name yeah so you and notice 362 00:14:51,750 --> 00:14:48,040 when you had that I think it's still the 363 00:14:53,490 --> 00:14:51,760 same theme song and uh actually no when 364 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:53,500 when when we started the skeptic zone 365 00:14:59,160 --> 00:14:55,530 Stefan road the whole new themes and a 366 00:15:01,650 --> 00:14:59,170 song yeah i think the the old one was um 367 00:15:03,300 --> 00:15:01,660 no we had it there yeah yeah are they 368 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:03,310 all the mists of time Derek I mean the 369 00:15:07,710 --> 00:15:05,290 second to be going for six years now so 370 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:07,720 these little details beginning to get a 371 00:15:11,530 --> 00:15:10,570 bit fuzzy yeah and you guys obviously me 372 00:15:14,379 --> 00:15:11,540 and talking with 373 00:15:16,180 --> 00:15:14,389 arted our show it was weakly and now we 374 00:15:18,879 --> 00:15:16,190 joined with a skeptic magazine when I 375 00:15:20,819 --> 00:15:18,889 was back in thousand six or seven but 376 00:15:23,259 --> 00:15:20,829 skip akali kind of focus on the 377 00:15:25,030 --> 00:15:23,269 scientific side of skeptical stuff or 378 00:15:28,660 --> 00:15:25,040 the cultural side like art and science 379 00:15:30,249 --> 00:15:28,670 and and research now listen this might 380 00:15:32,980 --> 00:15:30,259 be wondering why you and I sounding and 381 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:32,990 quite husky but I did because I rough 382 00:15:38,710 --> 00:15:34,610 this morning we see I grew up here in 383 00:15:41,230 --> 00:15:38,720 Las Vegas and I don't it I always forget 384 00:15:43,749 --> 00:15:41,240 every time come back smokey it is yeah 385 00:15:45,670 --> 00:15:43,759 the south point casino downstairs where 386 00:15:47,199 --> 00:15:45,680 the delmar appears appears fine 387 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:47,209 visionary there's no smoking the 388 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:50,810 downstairs it's yeah quite smoking and 389 00:15:54,910 --> 00:15:52,370 when you go down there and just 390 00:15:57,189 --> 00:15:54,920 socialize you know you can't help but no 391 00:15:59,259 --> 00:15:57,199 no well if anybody is it's not as but 392 00:16:02,590 --> 00:15:59,269 nowhere near bound downstairs as most of 393 00:16:04,269 --> 00:16:02,600 the hotels downtown this crap is about 394 00:16:06,910 --> 00:16:04,279 the same as this but if you go downtown 395 00:16:09,309 --> 00:16:06,920 where the real gambling joints are there 396 00:16:11,050 --> 00:16:09,319 really smoking yeah I don't know how 397 00:16:14,230 --> 00:16:11,060 long it'll be before that changes but 398 00:16:17,379 --> 00:16:14,240 this is Las Vegas well too I grew up 399 00:16:19,180 --> 00:16:17,389 here when I was a kid and there had 400 00:16:21,129 --> 00:16:19,190 there have been non-smoking hotel 401 00:16:23,290 --> 00:16:21,139 casinos yeah every single one of them 402 00:16:25,870 --> 00:16:23,300 failed miserably really because most 403 00:16:27,879 --> 00:16:25,880 people come to Vegas can't smoke and 404 00:16:30,009 --> 00:16:27,889 drink and away they go yeah I look 405 00:16:33,180 --> 00:16:30,019 around when you go down there how many 406 00:16:35,199 --> 00:16:33,190 people are not smoking that's true 407 00:16:37,269 --> 00:16:35,209 absolutely but the ones who ask me you 408 00:16:38,620 --> 00:16:37,279 make up for it missed in the sigas oh 409 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:38,630 yeah let's just see guys down there oh 410 00:16:42,759 --> 00:16:40,370 yeah yeah yeah people always like give 411 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:42,769 places like you know Florida and Texas a 412 00:16:47,170 --> 00:16:45,170 bad rap for all its eggs is not the 413 00:16:50,819 --> 00:16:47,180 Nevada's not that much different 414 00:16:54,879 --> 00:16:50,829 differences it is Nevada's more 415 00:16:56,379 --> 00:16:54,889 libertarian than anything anything goes 416 00:16:57,970 --> 00:16:56,389 I was really shocked I was talking about 417 00:17:00,850 --> 00:16:57,980 this with a bunch of people last night 418 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:00,860 that I was completely shocked that 419 00:17:05,710 --> 00:17:03,410 people like places like Colorado and 420 00:17:07,870 --> 00:17:05,720 Washington steak legalize pot before 421 00:17:10,059 --> 00:17:07,880 Nevada because I mean Aria this 422 00:17:12,130 --> 00:17:10,069 prostitution is legal here I never 423 00:17:15,549 --> 00:17:12,140 thought about that all the weird stuff 424 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:15,559 listen Billy liver a little here yeah 425 00:17:21,630 --> 00:17:18,490 and Nevada miss the boat on that 426 00:17:24,419 --> 00:17:21,640 I can't imagine if I oh if I own one of 427 00:17:27,569 --> 00:17:24,429 these hotel casinos would would be like 428 00:17:30,690 --> 00:17:27,579 why aren't we doing this because because 429 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:30,700 gambling's everywhere now yeah so well 430 00:17:35,580 --> 00:17:33,250 back in Australia it's um every club and 431 00:17:37,350 --> 00:17:35,590 probably go into them in Sydney at least 432 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:37,360 in New South Wales and I think in other 433 00:17:41,370 --> 00:17:39,490 parts of the country is they make an 434 00:17:43,260 --> 00:17:41,380 awful lot of money out of the slot 435 00:17:45,390 --> 00:17:43,270 machine spoken oh that's where most the 436 00:17:46,710 --> 00:17:45,400 money is um well downstairs I mean there 437 00:17:48,270 --> 00:17:46,720 are we have the gambling tables we've 438 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:48,280 got the traditional blackjack we've got 439 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:50,410 the roulette we got the craps but most 440 00:17:54,419 --> 00:17:52,570 of the floor area down there is machines 441 00:17:55,620 --> 00:17:54,429 and it's not machine because the slot so 442 00:17:58,590 --> 00:17:55,630 as long as I machines whir machine 443 00:18:02,160 --> 00:17:58,600 gaming yeah but super I lived here I did 444 00:18:06,450 --> 00:18:02,170 a lot of did some programming for the 445 00:18:08,100 --> 00:18:06,460 algorithms on how they the casino when 446 00:18:10,020 --> 00:18:08,110 you see a plant when you see the casino 447 00:18:12,150 --> 00:18:10,030 floor when you look at the slot machines 448 00:18:13,740 --> 00:18:12,160 you know you'll notice that you might 449 00:18:16,860 --> 00:18:13,750 think might realize it's already in your 450 00:18:19,110 --> 00:18:16,870 head but if you look at them the 451 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:19,120 gambling machines that they all are in 452 00:18:24,990 --> 00:18:22,570 like violence yes each island has its 453 00:18:30,630 --> 00:18:25,000 own concern a controlling system uh-huh 454 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:30,640 and that's by law so by law they have to 455 00:18:36,780 --> 00:18:34,450 have a amount of payback for every 456 00:18:38,970 --> 00:18:36,790 uh-huh effort the average of the entire 457 00:18:40,650 --> 00:18:38,980 casino right that's why you'll see 458 00:18:43,169 --> 00:18:40,660 billboards like what leave our slots pay 459 00:18:45,630 --> 00:18:43,179 out a two percent yeah so that means 460 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:45,640 ninety-two percent for the entire casino 461 00:18:50,100 --> 00:18:48,490 floor for the machines well that doesn't 462 00:18:52,710 --> 00:18:50,110 mean that every bank has to pay out 463 00:18:57,360 --> 00:18:52,720 ninety-two percent is to be than average 464 00:19:00,090 --> 00:18:57,370 so one trick to people some people know 465 00:19:03,150 --> 00:19:00,100 or something known some of some of the 466 00:19:04,169 --> 00:19:03,160 islands are tweaked to pay out more 467 00:19:06,390 --> 00:19:04,179 because they have to make up for the 468 00:19:08,340 --> 00:19:06,400 average of the ones who it is and 469 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:08,350 usually the ones pay out the worst are 470 00:19:11,460 --> 00:19:09,610 the ones that are close to the doors 471 00:19:14,430 --> 00:19:11,470 because as most people just walk in 472 00:19:17,070 --> 00:19:14,440 that's it in the first one sexy so 473 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:17,080 stupid little creek tricks but in the 474 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:18,970 the differences aren't that much 475 00:19:24,540 --> 00:19:20,650 different but different enough to 476 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:24,550 interesting out inside in forum yes I 477 00:19:27,820 --> 00:19:26,490 used to did some of the background 478 00:19:29,590 --> 00:19:27,830 programming for all 479 00:19:31,090 --> 00:19:29,600 tough nose uh yeah I wonder how many 480 00:19:33,430 --> 00:19:31,100 people who come to the amazing meeting 481 00:19:35,710 --> 00:19:33,440 spin-out time downstairs gambling some 482 00:19:38,889 --> 00:19:35,720 of the mummy I i I've spent a dollar or 483 00:19:40,779 --> 00:19:38,899 two down there but in all honesty I 484 00:19:41,950 --> 00:19:40,789 don't think I've even reached ten 485 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:41,960 dollars in all the years I've been 486 00:19:46,509 --> 00:19:44,570 coming here I've probably spent about 487 00:19:49,060 --> 00:19:46,519 ten dollars gambling well I just need 488 00:19:50,500 --> 00:19:49,070 don't not into it like I said I lived 489 00:19:52,779 --> 00:19:50,510 here as a kid well I couldn't handle 490 00:19:54,669 --> 00:19:52,789 that but I came back from college and a 491 00:19:57,090 --> 00:19:54,679 first when I got older I was able to 492 00:20:01,360 --> 00:19:57,100 gamble I mean my friends did a bunch of 493 00:20:05,590 --> 00:20:01,370 gambling as a team and I I mean I'm wait 494 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:05,600 up because we do that on purpose but you 495 00:20:09,580 --> 00:20:07,490 have to play the circuit or the game 496 00:20:11,620 --> 00:20:09,590 that you have control of mmm only one 497 00:20:14,529 --> 00:20:11,630 and you probably figure it out it's 498 00:20:18,159 --> 00:20:14,539 blackjack no no I don't have no control 499 00:20:19,779 --> 00:20:18,169 no what what poker oh oh sorry yes of 500 00:20:21,009 --> 00:20:19,789 course that I sort of treat that 501 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:21,019 slightly differently because you're sort 502 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:22,250 of playing against other people not 503 00:20:25,330 --> 00:20:23,690 necessarily against the house but you 504 00:20:26,620 --> 00:20:25,340 have control texas holdem right yeah 505 00:20:27,549 --> 00:20:26,630 yeah did you have control over them yeah 506 00:20:29,860 --> 00:20:27,559 yeah and that's where they're actually 507 00:20:32,470 --> 00:20:29,870 that's mainly a scaled skill game and if 508 00:20:34,629 --> 00:20:32,480 you doubt that go to the world series of 509 00:20:36,580 --> 00:20:34,639 poker every year the same 10 or 15 510 00:20:38,830 --> 00:20:36,590 people every time it's because it's not 511 00:20:40,539 --> 00:20:38,840 a game of chance whoo that's in smoke 512 00:20:42,990 --> 00:20:40,549 again that's not much of a game of 513 00:20:45,909 --> 00:20:43,000 chances yeah that's it it's just it's 514 00:20:49,120 --> 00:20:45,919 it's it's a mix between the skill math 515 00:20:50,769 --> 00:20:49,130 and human interaction interesting yeah 516 00:20:54,549 --> 00:20:50,779 so that's the game you can make money on 517 00:20:56,139 --> 00:20:54,559 a but we used to do it as teams so we've 518 00:20:57,580 --> 00:20:56,149 got five of us because you know there's 519 00:21:01,029 --> 00:20:57,590 something usually it's on a table at 520 00:21:02,470 --> 00:21:01,039 seven people so we coerced five people 521 00:21:05,110 --> 00:21:02,480 at the table there are me and all my 522 00:21:07,690 --> 00:21:05,120 friends we know each other so we figured 523 00:21:09,850 --> 00:21:07,700 out all their tells hmm and then we just 524 00:21:12,159 --> 00:21:09,860 take down the people at the table with 525 00:21:17,860 --> 00:21:12,169 us the skeptics own podcast is not 526 00:21:19,659 --> 00:21:17,870 endorsed gambling if it's legal and so 527 00:21:21,820 --> 00:21:19,669 you've got um we're sort of halfway 528 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:21,830 along the Grand Hall here I'm when right 529 00:21:25,360 --> 00:21:23,570 next door to the st you guys who are 530 00:21:27,100 --> 00:21:25,370 setting up and it's still early so 531 00:21:28,570 --> 00:21:27,110 people there are some more people down 532 00:21:29,740 --> 00:21:28,580 there at the registration a lot of the 533 00:21:31,269 --> 00:21:29,750 tables are emptying them up while you 534 00:21:32,799 --> 00:21:31,279 set up yet but it's early isn't it I 535 00:21:35,190 --> 00:21:32,809 mean it's Thursday morning it's really 536 00:21:37,529 --> 00:21:35,200 the first day of workshops yeah 537 00:21:40,850 --> 00:21:37,539 really gets into full swing i think I'm 538 00:21:44,399 --> 00:21:40,860 tonight at the big reception yeah and 539 00:21:47,460 --> 00:21:44,409 like I said it because thursday is there 540 00:21:49,139 --> 00:21:47,470 research to getting in town and all the 541 00:21:51,149 --> 00:21:49,149 setup really doesn't really have it sold 542 00:21:52,409 --> 00:21:51,159 this afternoon Wow some people are keen 543 00:21:54,539 --> 00:21:52,419 in some like I've noticed some people 544 00:21:55,830 --> 00:21:54,549 even walking into the workshop rooms all 545 00:21:58,049 --> 00:21:55,840 ready to get a good seat but they're 546 00:22:00,750 --> 00:21:58,059 practically empty so I know this much 547 00:22:02,820 --> 00:22:00,760 before I was supposed to have breakfast 548 00:22:04,019 --> 00:22:02,830 with a one of the workshop presenters 549 00:22:07,139 --> 00:22:04,029 and he said I'm is going to be in my 550 00:22:08,549 --> 00:22:07,149 room doing all my work yeah I spent a 551 00:22:10,430 --> 00:22:08,559 few hours this morning actually got to 552 00:22:12,539 --> 00:22:10,440 work up quite early and I've just been 553 00:22:14,129 --> 00:22:12,549 more or less doing the same thing trying 554 00:22:16,740 --> 00:22:14,139 to work on my presentation after the 555 00:22:18,060 --> 00:22:16,750 past three years I've been doing 556 00:22:20,190 --> 00:22:18,070 something in their workshops or whatever 557 00:22:22,169 --> 00:22:20,200 let's hear another i'm working at the 558 00:22:24,509 --> 00:22:22,179 table that's about it I can appreciate 559 00:22:25,950 --> 00:22:24,519 that yeah that's good that's why not 560 00:22:27,269 --> 00:22:25,960 sometimes you do have to take a bit of 561 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:27,279 accidents let's going back to the old 562 00:22:30,570 --> 00:22:28,570 school when I became the first like 563 00:22:32,310 --> 00:22:30,580 three years where I you know just hung 564 00:22:34,259 --> 00:22:32,320 out in interviews of people that's what 565 00:22:35,129 --> 00:22:34,269 I lights what I'm doing right now I'm 566 00:22:37,590 --> 00:22:35,139 just hanging out with you and 567 00:22:39,450 --> 00:22:37,600 interviewing you skeptic ality is the 568 00:22:42,810 --> 00:22:39,460 podcast folks it's been going ever since 569 00:22:46,230 --> 00:22:42,820 I was a little boy yeah it seems p to 570 00:22:48,029 --> 00:22:46,240 you too and i'm sure a lot of those 571 00:22:50,940 --> 00:22:48,039 skeptics endlessness of a very familiar 572 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:50,950 skeptical yeah I've always been shocked 573 00:22:54,659 --> 00:22:52,690 when I've talked to people there's 574 00:22:57,090 --> 00:22:54,669 actually a guy who works and my company 575 00:22:59,279 --> 00:22:57,100 is international and I was talking to a 576 00:23:03,690 --> 00:22:59,289 guy who came in the town from our New 577 00:23:06,389 --> 00:23:03,700 Jersey office and he had a skep tied 578 00:23:09,389 --> 00:23:06,399 t-shirt on oh yeah and it's gone which 579 00:23:11,100 --> 00:23:09,399 other shows you do you listen to and he 580 00:23:13,529 --> 00:23:11,110 said well I listen he didn't rise was me 581 00:23:16,070 --> 00:23:13,539 he has skeptic ality I didn't he's like 582 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:16,080 and then some of the Scientific American 583 00:23:22,139 --> 00:23:19,330 podcast I said why you heard about you 584 00:23:23,850 --> 00:23:22,149 know it's skipped his own or SGU I 585 00:23:26,879 --> 00:23:23,860 didn't know there's all these oh boy so 586 00:23:28,289 --> 00:23:26,889 I don't know leave it or not you don't 587 00:23:30,029 --> 00:23:28,299 have no idea people actually know about 588 00:23:31,230 --> 00:23:30,039 the other you would think they do but a 589 00:23:33,419 --> 00:23:31,240 lot of people are just listeners they 590 00:23:34,710 --> 00:23:33,429 don't really realize that there's a 591 00:23:36,539 --> 00:23:34,720 whole world out there that's true yeah 592 00:23:38,639 --> 00:23:36,549 yeah yeah well I'd you know the skeptics 593 00:23:40,580 --> 00:23:38,649 on my listeners know I do my best to 594 00:23:42,529 --> 00:23:40,590 promote other yeah I know I know 595 00:23:45,019 --> 00:23:42,539 on how I tried all over the world there 596 00:23:46,789 --> 00:23:45,029 you know people doing skeptical podcasts 597 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:46,799 and outreach and stuff yeah it's good ya 598 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:48,690 see ya well alright when I look at our 599 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:50,730 our demographic numbers I've always 600 00:23:56,210 --> 00:23:53,250 always find entertaining to find like 601 00:23:58,279 --> 00:23:56,220 the most remote place yes ya see that 602 00:23:59,690 --> 00:23:58,289 too yeah I get listeners in Iceland and 603 00:24:02,600 --> 00:23:59,700 stuff on the hello dual my listen is a 604 00:24:04,580 --> 00:24:02,610 nice man keep warm Hagel but there's 605 00:24:08,299 --> 00:24:04,590 three people for the past like four 606 00:24:09,919 --> 00:24:08,309 months that are in Greenland yeah yeah 607 00:24:13,549 --> 00:24:09,929 as in that was the first time we've had 608 00:24:16,430 --> 00:24:13,559 Greenland but there was a a few well I 609 00:24:18,950 --> 00:24:16,440 know why one of my best friends I met 610 00:24:21,860 --> 00:24:18,960 here in Vegas he got a job with the 611 00:24:25,310 --> 00:24:21,870 government and he's now stationed in 612 00:24:28,700 --> 00:24:25,320 Micronesia hmm and suddenly I have like 613 00:24:30,470 --> 00:24:28,710 25 people in there yeah yeah it's funny 614 00:24:32,779 --> 00:24:30,480 how that works since to see what's the 615 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:32,789 spread of where the good listeners come 616 00:24:37,340 --> 00:24:35,970 from some cool Oh Gary we seem to bump 617 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:37,350 into each other only at these sort of 618 00:24:41,930 --> 00:24:39,330 things I haven't been to dragoncon years 619 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:41,940 it's a slacker slacker to the other side 620 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:43,770 of the planet boy is it ever the other 621 00:24:47,269 --> 00:24:45,570 side but Dragon Con in atlanta georgia 622 00:24:49,250 --> 00:24:47,279 is a fantastic you were there for the 623 00:24:52,279 --> 00:24:49,260 1st like three or four years I wouldn't 624 00:24:54,260 --> 00:24:52,289 got three years in a row i went 80 80 a 625 00:24:57,350 --> 00:24:54,270 nice no no not in the eighties sorry 626 00:24:58,880 --> 00:24:57,360 2008 2009 2010 yep and I loved every 627 00:25:01,399 --> 00:24:58,890 every moment really you weren't there 628 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:01,409 four thousand seven no no 88 was the 629 00:25:05,470 --> 00:25:03,210 first year sometimes I thought you were 630 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:05,480 there the first seven was our first year 631 00:25:10,399 --> 00:25:07,890 okay so i was there just off to you guys 632 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:10,409 yeah okay yeah all right well dairy 633 00:25:14,870 --> 00:25:12,330 always great to catch up with you yes 634 00:25:16,490 --> 00:25:14,880 well I will see you over the course of 635 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:16,500 the rest of the weekend you sure well 636 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:24,700 it's sharon hill hi Sharon my return how 637 00:25:28,870 --> 00:25:26,810 are you I'm doing really well it's um 638 00:25:31,180 --> 00:25:28,880 it's a bit early i mean mostly what 639 00:25:33,070 --> 00:25:31,190 people are sort of appearing out of the 640 00:25:35,590 --> 00:25:33,080 woodwork registering here for town were 641 00:25:36,940 --> 00:25:35,600 in the grand hallway and it's really 642 00:25:39,490 --> 00:25:36,950 great to catch up and do and we're doing 643 00:25:41,860 --> 00:25:39,500 a panel together today yes workshop 644 00:25:44,020 --> 00:25:41,870 working a little bit later this morning 645 00:25:45,670 --> 00:25:44,030 and we've we've already visited the room 646 00:25:48,790 --> 00:25:45,680 and checked everything out and we're all 647 00:25:51,820 --> 00:25:48,800 set yeah skepticism in the media it's 648 00:25:54,610 --> 00:25:51,830 like whenever I hear your voice I get 649 00:25:57,510 --> 00:25:54,620 all i hear is what it's like it's like 650 00:25:59,920 --> 00:25:57,520 weak depressing but with chupacabras 651 00:26:01,720 --> 00:25:59,930 virtual skeptics let your skeptics 652 00:26:03,340 --> 00:26:01,730 that's true yeah unfortunately I do 653 00:26:05,170 --> 00:26:03,350 virtual skeptics anymore but other 654 00:26:07,150 --> 00:26:05,180 things have come up but we still there 655 00:26:09,490 --> 00:26:07,160 still running yeah and still a lot of 656 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:09,500 fun and it'll talk about chupacabras as 657 00:26:12,910 --> 00:26:11,330 much anymore look up there that's a pity 658 00:26:16,450 --> 00:26:12,920 that's a pretty so what are you up to 659 00:26:18,010 --> 00:26:16,460 decent um I'm still doing doubtful news 660 00:26:19,180 --> 00:26:18,020 that takes up most of my time doubtful 661 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:19,190 news day that's what I guess I that's 662 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:20,930 what you're most known yes yeah yeah 663 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:23,330 that's def that's an everyday job and 664 00:26:27,100 --> 00:26:25,610 it's doing very well and that's the 665 00:26:29,230 --> 00:26:27,110 other promotion of you that's right i 666 00:26:31,060 --> 00:26:29,240 run yep young you'll hear the promo for 667 00:26:35,340 --> 00:26:31,070 the story behind that you have 0 668 00:26:40,330 --> 00:26:37,900 getting heckled by Derek Colin do know 669 00:26:43,390 --> 00:26:40,340 this is not good and he's carrying a 670 00:26:44,530 --> 00:26:43,400 chairs I tell ya yeah so yeah so my 671 00:26:46,420 --> 00:26:44,540 listeners would know your voice from 672 00:26:48,670 --> 00:26:46,430 that doubtful news of course and um I 673 00:26:50,590 --> 00:26:48,680 like many of us that that's a very 674 00:26:53,020 --> 00:26:50,600 popular way yes people visit that no 675 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:53,030 absolutely and and not only a skeptics 676 00:26:56,140 --> 00:26:54,530 will will go to that website but I get a 677 00:26:57,730 --> 00:26:56,150 lot of traffic just from google search 678 00:27:00,010 --> 00:26:57,740 mm-hmm and I think that's really 679 00:27:02,050 --> 00:27:00,020 important because then we can reach the 680 00:27:05,020 --> 00:27:02,060 public yes the people who don't know 681 00:27:07,330 --> 00:27:05,030 about how to apply skepticism to the 682 00:27:09,490 --> 00:27:07,340 media and so that's that's most exciting 683 00:27:10,780 --> 00:27:09,500 for me when I look daily at my stats and 684 00:27:13,450 --> 00:27:10,790 see that a lot of people are coming in 685 00:27:15,550 --> 00:27:13,460 based on search terms from stories that 686 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:15,560 they've seen in the news yeah and end up 687 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:18,410 at my side it's a great title doubtful 688 00:27:23,050 --> 00:27:21,050 news I think it works well yeah it does 689 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:23,060 give me some problems ago because people 690 00:27:26,770 --> 00:27:24,890 I will actually put factual stories on 691 00:27:28,029 --> 00:27:26,780 there because good news stories yeah 692 00:27:29,739 --> 00:27:28,039 like 693 00:27:31,690 --> 00:27:29,749 and evolution bill anti-evolution bill 694 00:27:35,169 --> 00:27:31,700 was defeated you know creationism was 695 00:27:36,789 --> 00:27:35,179 struck down in some state and people 696 00:27:40,869 --> 00:27:36,799 will say what's doubtful about that well 697 00:27:43,060 --> 00:27:40,879 the theme of the site is to question 698 00:27:44,739 --> 00:27:43,070 those pseudoscience and problems that we 699 00:27:47,349 --> 00:27:44,749 have in our in our media and society 700 00:27:49,989 --> 00:27:47,359 with regards to those comics so I cover 701 00:27:51,969 --> 00:27:49,999 a really broad range but I mostly I 702 00:27:54,249 --> 00:27:51,979 really like to talk about the monsters 703 00:27:56,409 --> 00:27:54,259 the UFOs the good hmm they get great 704 00:27:58,570 --> 00:27:56,419 hits two people are curious i like i 705 00:27:59,879 --> 00:27:58,580 like i like that stuff and that's what i 706 00:28:03,099 --> 00:27:59,889 mean really that's why I got into 707 00:28:06,609 --> 00:28:03,109 skeptical that each a fun monster since 708 00:28:07,810 --> 00:28:06,619 I was a kid chupacabras well what that 709 00:28:09,430 --> 00:28:07,820 when you're a kid they would I choose 710 00:28:12,549 --> 00:28:09,440 the colors pretty much yeah they're 711 00:28:14,950 --> 00:28:12,559 relatively new but I also write a column 712 00:28:19,779 --> 00:28:14,960 called sound science ii where I look at 713 00:28:22,810 --> 00:28:19,789 a pseudoscience in the in every kind of 714 00:28:26,139 --> 00:28:22,820 media and talk about why people are 715 00:28:28,749 --> 00:28:26,149 sometimes fooled by fake science and I'm 716 00:28:31,629 --> 00:28:28,759 also working on a book manuscript based 717 00:28:33,999 --> 00:28:31,639 on the work I did when I was in grad 718 00:28:37,149 --> 00:28:34,009 school mmm with regards to amateur 719 00:28:42,399 --> 00:28:37,159 paranormal research groups yeah those 720 00:28:44,469 --> 00:28:42,409 are grid's just well part of my research 721 00:28:47,879 --> 00:28:44,479 for the million dollar challenge is here 722 00:28:51,489 --> 00:28:47,889 here town I've been reading reports from 723 00:28:53,820 --> 00:28:51,499 so-called paranormal investigators and 724 00:28:56,619 --> 00:28:53,830 you know their hearts in the right place 725 00:28:58,899 --> 00:28:56,629 absolument they don't know how they 726 00:29:01,629 --> 00:28:58,909 never learn they fall down straightaway 727 00:29:04,089 --> 00:29:01,639 on basic scientific principles but or 728 00:29:06,940 --> 00:29:04,099 should I say techniques methodology and 729 00:29:08,259 --> 00:29:06,950 I think that is get the wrong absolutely 730 00:29:10,719 --> 00:29:08,269 and I think that there's plenty of room 731 00:29:12,849 --> 00:29:10,729 to work with there so I try to connect 732 00:29:14,469 --> 00:29:12,859 with some of these groups and and help 733 00:29:15,820 --> 00:29:14,479 them out and say look I understand what 734 00:29:17,169 --> 00:29:15,830 you're trying to do here and it's and 735 00:29:19,180 --> 00:29:17,179 it's good because they're helping people 736 00:29:22,169 --> 00:29:19,190 who have troubles whatever the cause of 737 00:29:24,789 --> 00:29:22,179 the troubles is we don't know but but I 738 00:29:29,859 --> 00:29:24,799 think that there is an opportunity there 739 00:29:30,700 --> 00:29:29,869 for some sympathetic skeptics to get in 740 00:29:33,159 --> 00:29:30,710 there and 741 00:29:34,750 --> 00:29:33,169 yeah well I agree absolutely because if 742 00:29:36,250 --> 00:29:34,760 you're going to do something might as 743 00:29:38,799 --> 00:29:36,260 well do it right yeah that's exactly 744 00:29:42,130 --> 00:29:38,809 right and and and because i dint I've 745 00:29:44,230 --> 00:29:42,140 seen when the basic mistakes made very 746 00:29:45,190 --> 00:29:44,240 early on lead to false conclusions and 747 00:29:47,230 --> 00:29:45,200 they'll say well look here's the 748 00:29:48,850 --> 00:29:47,240 conclusion it works you see yes alone 749 00:29:50,500 --> 00:29:48,860 and go right back to the beginning and 750 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:50,510 you didn't do this or something like 751 00:29:56,950 --> 00:29:53,210 that it would be difficult so you get 752 00:29:58,720 --> 00:29:56,960 much feedback generally from I I get 753 00:30:01,269 --> 00:29:58,730 sometimes I get really good feedback 754 00:30:03,970 --> 00:30:01,279 from my sound science ii column I 755 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:03,980 actually get people who email me and 756 00:30:09,669 --> 00:30:08,210 either have questions or comments about 757 00:30:11,529 --> 00:30:09,679 what i wrote which is cool because then 758 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:11,539 i'll answer them and they give me good 759 00:30:15,730 --> 00:30:14,330 good food for thought we also we always 760 00:30:17,529 --> 00:30:15,740 get tons of comments on doubtful news 761 00:30:19,149 --> 00:30:17,539 and yeah we have a very strict 762 00:30:20,860 --> 00:30:19,159 moderation policy there's plenty of 763 00:30:23,019 --> 00:30:20,870 places for chiropractors and and 764 00:30:25,090 --> 00:30:23,029 proactive puncture and pro alt med 765 00:30:27,970 --> 00:30:25,100 people to go and about what they believe 766 00:30:30,039 --> 00:30:27,980 I don't allow that on doubtful news and 767 00:30:32,380 --> 00:30:30,049 unless they ask the question and then we 768 00:30:34,899 --> 00:30:32,390 can have a civil debate yeah but for the 769 00:30:37,690 --> 00:30:34,909 most part the site is about positive 770 00:30:40,860 --> 00:30:37,700 skepticism and helping the public 771 00:30:44,350 --> 00:30:40,870 understand what's real and what's bunker 772 00:30:46,779 --> 00:30:44,360 that's what it's all about so that's 773 00:30:48,070 --> 00:30:46,789 like every day I know how many years 774 00:30:50,470 --> 00:30:48,080 have you been coming to the amazing 775 00:30:53,340 --> 00:30:50,480 movement oh gee I always forget this is 776 00:30:55,930 --> 00:30:53,350 I think might be my fifth year uh-huh 777 00:30:58,360 --> 00:30:55,940 2009 was my first two thousand the data 778 00:30:59,980 --> 00:30:58,370 to me so this is my 50 so the first year 779 00:31:02,139 --> 00:30:59,990 you came to Tam was here at the south 780 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:02,149 point that's right ah just the first 781 00:31:06,820 --> 00:31:04,970 year I was I did ten was a the last year 782 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:06,830 they weren't the Fleming yeah okay yeah 783 00:31:11,919 --> 00:31:09,890 it'll always been here yeah and there's 784 00:31:12,580 --> 00:31:11,929 the the distinctive color scheme and the 785 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:12,590 distinctive 786 00:31:16,630 --> 00:31:14,450 and everything is in the same place I 787 00:31:19,180 --> 00:31:16,640 was speaking some others last night and 788 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:19,190 when you're here it's like you sort of 789 00:31:24,310 --> 00:31:21,890 never left yeah you know it's a years 790 00:31:25,779 --> 00:31:24,320 gone by but you look around the delmar 791 00:31:28,180 --> 00:31:25,789 or you're up here in the conference area 792 00:31:31,510 --> 00:31:28,190 in fig wasn't I here just yesterday and 793 00:31:33,460 --> 00:31:31,520 nothing changed yeah really uh I noticed 794 00:31:35,950 --> 00:31:33,470 there's some development more outside 795 00:31:38,230 --> 00:31:35,960 the isolation oh there's more building i 796 00:31:40,860 --> 00:31:38,240 saw that mobile Congo's your road works 797 00:31:44,019 --> 00:31:40,870 and that's right once you get inside yes 798 00:31:46,269 --> 00:31:44,029 machines clanking you even people there 799 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:46,279 and there and of course you see that a 800 00:31:51,250 --> 00:31:48,890 lot of the same faces yes all the time 801 00:31:53,710 --> 00:31:51,260 hey I just see dr. Karl walking in over 802 00:31:56,250 --> 00:31:53,720 there you see what a duck the culture an 803 00:31:59,799 --> 00:31:56,260 exactor Carl well it's the green pants 804 00:32:01,360 --> 00:31:59,809 very annoyed we might catch his 805 00:32:03,399 --> 00:32:01,370 attention look Sharon we better run down 806 00:32:05,529 --> 00:32:03,409 and rest dr. Cole because he's part of 807 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:05,539 our media workshop in a few hours that's 808 00:32:17,350 --> 00:32:07,730 right but it's really lovely to see you 809 00:32:21,620 --> 00:32:19,580 Wow the skeptics guide to the universe 810 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:21,630 dinner has just wound up we had an 811 00:32:24,169 --> 00:32:23,130 auction we had a game show lots of 812 00:32:26,539 --> 00:32:24,179 people here still milling around 813 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:26,549 including including George shrub hi 814 00:32:31,340 --> 00:32:29,490 George hello no nice to see you once 815 00:32:32,690 --> 00:32:31,350 again here at the amazing meeting we 816 00:32:35,419 --> 00:32:32,700 keep meeting like this we keep meeting 817 00:32:39,139 --> 00:32:35,429 in the desert sands of Vegas we do we 818 00:32:40,909 --> 00:32:39,149 met him more we met more here than yeah 819 00:32:42,889 --> 00:32:40,919 am I trying to save you with this and 820 00:32:45,289 --> 00:32:42,899 here merely meeting with us has been 821 00:32:47,389 --> 00:32:45,299 more than any other us meeting place 822 00:32:49,460 --> 00:32:47,399 that's as opposed to their verses here 823 00:32:51,499 --> 00:32:49,470 and of course we met once in Sydney and 824 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:51,509 we gonna be meeting again again and ya 825 00:32:55,789 --> 00:32:53,490 can't believe that we are get to go back 826 00:32:58,490 --> 00:32:55,799 I'm so excited it's like they say the 827 00:32:59,810 --> 00:32:58,500 second time is always the second more 828 00:33:01,879 --> 00:32:59,820 mad they say the second time is always 829 00:33:03,230 --> 00:33:01,889 the second time at least yes but it's 830 00:33:04,940 --> 00:33:03,240 always the second sometimes it's a third 831 00:33:06,499 --> 00:33:04,950 time the second time decides be the 832 00:33:07,789 --> 00:33:06,509 other time yeah it's if you if you were 833 00:33:08,899 --> 00:33:07,799 passed out for the first two times then 834 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:08,909 yeah the second time can be the third 835 00:33:14,149 --> 00:33:11,690 how's the geologic podcast well we're 836 00:33:17,210 --> 00:33:14,159 congratulations on your 303 thank you 837 00:33:19,070 --> 00:33:17,220 that's for our listeners a knowledge of 838 00:33:20,990 --> 00:33:19,080 all they know surely that that'll be 839 00:33:24,110 --> 00:33:21,000 next week's episodes week that's really 840 00:33:25,999 --> 00:33:24,120 speaking now on to 99 but next 300 yeah 841 00:33:27,619 --> 00:33:26,009 that's great i had my 300 a little boy 842 00:33:30,350 --> 00:33:27,629 back and it was a it's exciting it's 843 00:33:34,580 --> 00:33:30,360 exciting how many years now you remember 844 00:33:35,930 --> 00:33:34,590 seven yeah oh my god chose about right 845 00:33:37,639 --> 00:33:35,940 did you ever think that you'd be doing 846 00:33:40,669 --> 00:33:37,649 seven eight years worth of stuff 847 00:33:43,100 --> 00:33:40,679 absolutely no yeah you will to be honest 848 00:33:45,980 --> 00:33:43,110 I a new probably the same you start a 849 00:33:47,990 --> 00:33:45,990 podcast and that's just not a concept no 850 00:33:49,700 --> 00:33:48,000 it's ago i'm gonna do a podcast what's 851 00:33:51,350 --> 00:33:49,710 on next week and so on yeah I'll do 10 852 00:33:52,940 --> 00:33:51,360 20 see what it's like yeah yeah and here 853 00:33:54,649 --> 00:33:52,950 we are seven years later in the sands of 854 00:33:55,970 --> 00:33:54,659 Vegas once again put begin for the 855 00:33:59,299 --> 00:33:55,980 fourth time believe of time with the 856 00:34:01,669 --> 00:33:59,309 sixth in fact that we also met one of 857 00:34:05,060 --> 00:34:01,679 our many meetings was in the lovely 858 00:34:06,300 --> 00:34:05,070 dragoncon oh I might have met you first 859 00:34:08,460 --> 00:34:06,310 at dragoncon 860 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:08,470 I think so that's a possibility yeah so 861 00:34:12,720 --> 00:34:11,170 I think so yeah on its own universe of 862 00:34:14,220 --> 00:34:12,730 weirdness there too it's like this is 863 00:34:16,620 --> 00:34:14,230 its own little Enclave yeah and this 864 00:34:18,810 --> 00:34:16,630 dragon con is it's own thing Nexus is 865 00:34:20,130 --> 00:34:18,820 its own thing it's it's yeah it's pretty 866 00:34:21,690 --> 00:34:20,140 special and I remember one evening 867 00:34:24,330 --> 00:34:21,700 particularly well it's probably when I 868 00:34:27,330 --> 00:34:24,340 met you is filthy Oh someone's doing 869 00:34:30,890 --> 00:34:27,340 yourself in the middle of the show there 870 00:34:33,930 --> 00:34:30,900 we are make sure you face oh he's done 871 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:33,940 someone just took a selfie of us there 872 00:34:38,070 --> 00:34:36,010 was a wonderful moment I'll never forget 873 00:34:40,890 --> 00:34:38,080 it where I we were at a party and a 874 00:34:42,660 --> 00:34:40,900 hotel room one night in Dragon Con right 875 00:34:45,780 --> 00:34:42,670 you were sitting on the couch with some 876 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:45,790 people yes I was standing up here doing 877 00:34:50,300 --> 00:34:47,650 the spoon bending routine yes to 878 00:34:52,860 --> 00:34:50,310 somebody and you were over there 879 00:34:54,240 --> 00:34:52,870 commenting giving call is a sort of you 880 00:34:56,940 --> 00:34:54,250 remember that's right yeah I didn't know 881 00:34:59,190 --> 00:34:56,950 I didn't quite know I think what your 882 00:35:00,780 --> 00:34:59,200 intention was yeah I think I was sort of 883 00:35:02,100 --> 00:35:00,790 trying to describe how you were doing it 884 00:35:03,420 --> 00:35:02,110 to the people I was with like what's 885 00:35:04,830 --> 00:35:03,430 this guy doing so no no no well he's 886 00:35:07,650 --> 00:35:04,840 doing this now watch his left hand 887 00:35:09,060 --> 00:35:07,660 because it's gonna be you know yeah yeah 888 00:35:10,020 --> 00:35:09,070 you actually fell asleep during my show 889 00:35:12,150 --> 00:35:10,030 that was the first time we met I 890 00:35:14,580 --> 00:35:12,160 remember you were so nice about it you 891 00:35:16,860 --> 00:35:14,590 apologize previously we were exhausted i 892 00:35:19,500 --> 00:35:16,870 was doing my podcast and you fell asleep 893 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:19,510 turn sure I did that's right that was 894 00:35:23,700 --> 00:35:21,490 the first time because I didn't really 895 00:35:26,130 --> 00:35:23,710 design that entertaining got amazing 896 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:26,140 that's just those were the days when I 897 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:28,330 and dr. a cheese and some others would 898 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:31,810 fly from Sydney just change planes in LA 899 00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:33,970 and go to Atlanta yeah and land and then 900 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:36,130 go to forget about it no forget about it 901 00:35:41,490 --> 00:35:39,370 and my shirt was like 11 at night too so 902 00:35:44,790 --> 00:35:41,500 yeah you're you were throws behind be 903 00:35:47,100 --> 00:35:44,800 gone yeah but lifetime ago right yeah he 904 00:35:49,290 --> 00:35:47,110 had those days yeah just and there was 905 00:35:51,810 --> 00:35:49,300 one marvelous times after dragoncon were 906 00:35:54,210 --> 00:35:51,820 you and I and Daniel oxen and Cheryl 907 00:35:56,580 --> 00:35:54,220 would go wandering around the empty 908 00:35:58,290 --> 00:35:56,590 hotels and doing all this sort of dances 909 00:36:00,210 --> 00:35:58,300 down once the one stood once the rest 910 00:36:01,950 --> 00:36:00,220 was sort of done remember on the 911 00:36:04,530 --> 00:36:01,960 escalator once walking the wrong we're 912 00:36:05,070 --> 00:36:04,540 gonna yell at the security sturdy shows 913 00:36:06,570 --> 00:36:05,080 up 914 00:36:08,460 --> 00:36:06,580 shouldn't be doing that and we all went 915 00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:08,470 up to America the hilton wasn't looked 916 00:36:12,510 --> 00:36:10,690 down hurry up yeah whatever it's 30 917 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:12,520 floors up or whatever it is yeah listen 918 00:36:15,870 --> 00:36:14,290 look folks this is some of the wonderful 919 00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:15,880 times you can have when you come to 920 00:36:19,140 --> 00:36:17,530 conventions that's right you get to hang 921 00:36:21,090 --> 00:36:19,150 out with with fun people and do crazy 922 00:36:23,010 --> 00:36:21,100 stuff yeah yeah you do like minded 923 00:36:24,810 --> 00:36:23,020 people doing silly things what's better 924 00:36:27,180 --> 00:36:24,820 what's better what's better than that 925 00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:27,190 that's what now you om seeing again 926 00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:29,650 vimrc yeah I've convinced the right 927 00:36:34,260 --> 00:36:31,690 people to hire me again so it's yeah 928 00:36:36,930 --> 00:36:34,270 it's it's it is surreal i always say it 929 00:36:39,660 --> 00:36:36,940 but it's you know to have james randi 930 00:36:42,690 --> 00:36:39,670 know who i am let alone recognize me and 931 00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:42,700 say hi thank me its I just I turn into a 932 00:36:46,650 --> 00:36:44,530 12 year old kid I should get my TV 933 00:36:49,170 --> 00:36:46,660 somebody you had us you had us 934 00:36:50,910 --> 00:36:49,180 completely today when you were doing 935 00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:50,920 your introduction and he said this year 936 00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:53,530 I'm not gonna do a haiku I'm going to do 937 00:36:58,530 --> 00:36:56,530 interpretive dance and I swear I thought 938 00:37:00,240 --> 00:36:58,540 I can't wait to see all the interpretive 939 00:37:03,570 --> 00:37:00,250 day and in the back of my mind I'm 940 00:37:05,430 --> 00:37:03,580 thinking what's he gonna do somebody how 941 00:37:06,990 --> 00:37:05,440 much dancing could possibly happen oh no 942 00:37:10,050 --> 00:37:07,000 this year we do a literature steak that 943 00:37:10,980 --> 00:37:10,060 was a good yeah yeah it's always it's 944 00:37:13,650 --> 00:37:10,990 always something to keep it interesting 945 00:37:15,510 --> 00:37:13,660 and the days fly by yes it's incredible 946 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:15,520 i was just saying i got backstage at 947 00:37:19,260 --> 00:37:17,170 seven this morning and before i knew it 948 00:37:21,780 --> 00:37:19,270 was six at night yes you know 11 hours 949 00:37:24,450 --> 00:37:21,790 of gumbo yeah it was what 10 speakers 950 00:37:25,860 --> 00:37:24,460 and i was wonderful it's wonderful it 951 00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:25,870 happens and then before you know it 952 00:37:29,100 --> 00:37:27,610 tongue it's all right yeah and then 953 00:37:31,170 --> 00:37:29,110 before you know we're back here right 954 00:37:33,390 --> 00:37:31,180 sitting in the doll room or sydney yeah 955 00:37:35,670 --> 00:37:33,400 or existing yeah yeah which again I am 956 00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:35,680 so excited for I'm so sorry fantastic 957 00:37:40,350 --> 00:37:37,810 yeah George great to see you again my 958 00:37:42,570 --> 00:37:40,360 friend are you a brother horse and we'll 959 00:37:44,310 --> 00:37:42,580 catch up over the course the next few 960 00:37:47,220 --> 00:37:44,320 days and have some good times and then 961 00:37:49,650 --> 00:37:47,230 it'll be the big lead up for Sydney 962 00:37:55,390 --> 00:37:49,660 Sydney yes drink fluids treat through 963 00:37:59,450 --> 00:37:57,440 we are one hundred and fifty-five 964 00:38:01,220 --> 00:37:59,460 skeptics have spun this and tried to 965 00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:01,230 choose which one well I don't want to 966 00:38:06,860 --> 00:38:04,050 touch a skeptic you've been bad I'm just 967 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:06,870 at the table of the the iig here Jim 968 00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:08,130 underdown is here and some other 969 00:38:11,540 --> 00:38:10,050 pianists ajai me Randy is standing in 970 00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:11,550 front of the psychic wheel is that what 971 00:38:16,340 --> 00:38:13,290 we're calling it yeah this is a this is 972 00:38:18,140 --> 00:38:16,350 a test to test the psychic ability of 973 00:38:20,300 --> 00:38:18,150 skeptics which no one's done to my 974 00:38:22,850 --> 00:38:20,310 knowledge hmm and so now we're going to 975 00:38:24,590 --> 00:38:22,860 ask mr. Randy to test his psychic 976 00:38:25,970 --> 00:38:24,600 ability which we know is prodigious will 977 00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:25,980 have you know I've tried this twice and 978 00:38:30,110 --> 00:38:27,810 I've failed both times I can't 979 00:38:32,890 --> 00:38:30,120 understand it okay so all you need to do 980 00:38:36,140 --> 00:38:32,900 is trace place the little koala bear on 981 00:38:37,550 --> 00:38:36,150 whichever of your favorite people you'll 982 00:38:40,430 --> 00:38:37,560 I don't have any favorite people on 983 00:38:42,410 --> 00:38:40,440 these four maybe the one who just like 984 00:38:44,690 --> 00:38:42,420 the most we have Sylvia Browne John 985 00:38:48,650 --> 00:38:44,700 Edward which is there's one is Theresa 986 00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:48,660 Caputo and doctrine vince van praag 987 00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:51,570 frank i almost said james Van crank but 988 00:38:56,990 --> 00:38:54,210 don't be appropriate ok why don't we do 989 00:38:58,700 --> 00:38:57,000 this just for the recording run Randy go 990 00:39:00,410 --> 00:38:58,710 ahead take a take a guess at this let's 991 00:39:02,300 --> 00:39:00,420 see how good you he's placing the Koala 992 00:39:06,470 --> 00:39:02,310 I want the guest verse by the way not 993 00:39:09,590 --> 00:39:06,480 after I myself together here what about 994 00:39:11,660 --> 00:39:09,600 get don't lose the oh he just made the 995 00:39:15,230 --> 00:39:11,670 college's a beer huh kids back all right 996 00:39:17,810 --> 00:39:15,240 turn your head okay Sylvia Western 997 00:39:19,850 --> 00:39:17,820 Reserve there we go that's a still get 998 00:39:24,230 --> 00:39:19,860 around okay give them real good spin all 999 00:39:30,980 --> 00:39:24,240 right okay he chose yellow and it came 1000 00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:30,990 up pink oh thanks doing it yeah right 1001 00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:33,570 it's as good as we can't count that a 1002 00:39:39,260 --> 00:39:37,050 shower going details details now 1003 00:39:43,610 --> 00:39:39,270 amazing Randy got a candy or your smell 1004 00:39:45,350 --> 00:39:43,620 again loser again Oh drat yeah well back 1005 00:39:48,530 --> 00:39:45,360 to the old drawing board luckily all joy 1006 00:39:50,690 --> 00:39:48,540 what are you enjoying the tab i would 1007 00:39:53,210 --> 00:39:50,700 suggest you are you always enjoy time 1008 00:39:58,010 --> 00:39:53,220 mr. Andy oh I have a ball at this place 1009 00:40:00,050 --> 00:39:58,020 and and also really rather struck by the 1010 00:40:02,630 --> 00:40:00,060 fact that I could attract people in this 1011 00:40:04,190 --> 00:40:02,640 case from 23 countries yes the world yes 1012 00:40:07,190 --> 00:40:04,200 they read them all out the other Ison 1013 00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:07,200 I've got to face the fact to do start me 1014 00:40:11,900 --> 00:40:10,050 it's the organization is the jf itself 1015 00:40:14,180 --> 00:40:11,910 and the work of the good work that it 1016 00:40:16,220 --> 00:40:14,190 does around the world that they're 1017 00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:16,230 really interested in I just have to be 1018 00:40:22,250 --> 00:40:19,170 the figurehead so I take full advantage 1019 00:40:23,570 --> 00:40:22,260 of that okay and it's remarkable what 1020 00:40:24,890 --> 00:40:23,580 I've actually caught you it's a bit 1021 00:40:27,170 --> 00:40:24,900 quiet out here in the hallway there's a 1022 00:40:29,570 --> 00:40:27,180 talk going on inside it's remarkable I 1023 00:40:31,430 --> 00:40:29,580 can actually pull you away from the PDS 1024 00:40:33,830 --> 00:40:31,440 and you can't help yourself I see you're 1025 00:40:36,620 --> 00:40:33,840 performing some wonderful country tricks 1026 00:40:38,330 --> 00:40:36,630 oh yes the absconding richer that's what 1027 00:40:40,460 --> 00:40:38,340 we call them back to their miracles of 1028 00:40:42,830 --> 00:40:40,470 SMB religious teacher that's where I 1029 00:40:45,620 --> 00:40:42,840 just want later on about that yes and 1030 00:40:49,220 --> 00:40:45,630 it's nice to see you so mobile because a 1031 00:40:51,410 --> 00:40:49,230 couple of times ago you were someone can 1032 00:40:53,900 --> 00:40:51,420 find a will ya incapacitated I had a 1033 00:40:55,730 --> 00:40:53,910 good you know had aneurysms that it 1034 00:40:58,220 --> 00:40:55,740 really crippled me and I was in a 1035 00:41:00,170 --> 00:40:58,230 wheelchair but I had an operation since 1036 00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:00,180 yeah pretty serious was a matter of 1037 00:41:05,210 --> 00:41:03,090 action it almost did be in but medical 1038 00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:05,220 science did the job again what's 1039 00:41:10,070 --> 00:41:07,770 happened quite a lot recently as medical 1040 00:41:12,170 --> 00:41:10,080 things almost doing you in yeah but not 1041 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:12,180 quite not yet well colon cancer and the 1042 00:41:16,130 --> 00:41:14,010 other thing I had a heart bypass you 1043 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:16,140 know what's next on the list i dont i 1044 00:41:22,610 --> 00:41:20,010 I've got no parts left are the parts 1045 00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:22,620 that I have less I trust will not go out 1046 00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:24,450 of circulation I certainly hope let's 1047 00:41:30,290 --> 00:41:27,570 not get into details and entities well I 1048 00:41:32,030 --> 00:41:30,300 hope you enjoyed the rest of the amazing 1049 00:41:33,620 --> 00:41:32,040 meeting or then we can start counting 1050 00:41:36,050 --> 00:41:33,630 the days till the next amazing reading 1051 00:41:39,510 --> 00:41:36,060 Oh Andy Andy then I'll be in Australia 1052 00:41:41,550 --> 00:41:39,520 later this evening in Australia yes 1053 00:41:44,310 --> 00:41:41,560 we'll post more details about that the 1054 00:41:46,170 --> 00:41:44,320 suit I'm soon you and I'm soon I'll be 1055 00:42:06,150 --> 00:41:46,180 all right keep usage I'm sure you will 1056 00:42:10,450 --> 00:42:08,350 thank you for listening to the skeptic 1057 00:42:12,130 --> 00:42:10,460 son you know we weren't successful in 1058 00:42:16,990 --> 00:42:12,140 our search for Australian coffee but we 1059 00:42:19,180 --> 00:42:17,000 found beer instead I only have four now 1060 00:42:21,850 --> 00:42:19,190 next week's episode is the big three 1061 00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:21,860 hundred the third 300 episode of the 1062 00:42:27,010 --> 00:42:24,170 schedule and Steve novella is mightily 1063 00:42:34,300 --> 00:42:27,020 impressed very impressed we're at 470 1064 00:42:36,100 --> 00:42:34,310 but hailey come in late Steve good to 1065 00:42:37,660 --> 00:42:36,110 see you here again at the amazing 1066 00:42:38,980 --> 00:42:37,670 meeting a lot to look forward to yeah 1067 00:42:40,870 --> 00:42:38,990 always oppose you to see you Richard and 1068 00:42:42,910 --> 00:42:40,880 of course as I was chatting to the guys 1069 00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:42,920 at the top of the show looking forward 1070 00:42:46,300 --> 00:42:44,330 to the big Australian adventure yet 1071 00:42:47,590 --> 00:42:46,310 again and New Zealand yes Australia New 1072 00:42:49,900 --> 00:42:47,600 Zealand we're going to go down under 1073 00:42:51,220 --> 00:42:49,910 with George prob yeah and we're really 1074 00:42:52,660 --> 00:42:51,230 looking forward to it's gonna be a lot 1075 00:42:53,890 --> 00:42:52,670 of fun yeah I'm trying to meet as many 1076 00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:53,900 people as we can while we're down there 1077 00:43:00,400 --> 00:42:57,170 yeah the ticket sales went so well we 1078 00:43:01,870 --> 00:43:00,410 covered all our costs so we're able to 1079 00:43:03,430 --> 00:43:01,880 lower the prices and now even more 1080 00:43:05,230 --> 00:43:03,440 tickets are selling so wonderfully 1081 00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:05,240 pleased about that I have at least 4 40 1082 00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:07,610 50 people there at least ya know if 1083 00:43:10,540 --> 00:43:09,050 there are 60 we're going to be worrying 1084 00:43:15,610 --> 00:43:10,550 you know seating arrangements might be a 1085 00:43:17,500 --> 00:43:15,620 problem anyway so we all have work to do 1086 00:43:20,110 --> 00:43:17,510 we've got at tables next to each other 1087 00:43:22,720 --> 00:43:20,120 merchandise people to meet the skeptics 1088 00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:22,730 to chat to cookies to eat cookies where 1089 00:43:27,940 --> 00:43:25,610 oh yeah oh yeah time to wrap us up time 1090 00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:27,950 directors are so from the amazing 1091 00:43:31,150 --> 00:43:29,930 meeting this is half a skeptic's guide 1092 00:43:35,620 --> 00:43:31,160 the universe and Richard Saunders 1093 00:43:42,820 --> 00:43:37,840 you've been listening to the skeptic 1094 00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:42,830 zone visit our website at www skeptics